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Atacked in the Aegis

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As soon as I launched I got red condition... I paused the game to look at launching messages in the Latest.log (I was trying to track some strange behaviour with escorts in EscortDeck), then resumed and I was being attacked by several ships with clean status. I struck back at those that hit me, but even so I got offender status... is that the expected behaviour?

Looking at Latest.log:

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11:03:17.413 [LogEvents]: alert condition changed from 2 to 3
11:03:19.050 [telescope]: check_Sightings, started w/ 38, ended w/ 37
11:03:19.052 [LogEvents]: targeted Telescope marker 22186 who has -1 energy
11:03:20.019 [LogEvents]: paused the game
11:16:13.750 [LogEvents]: resumed the game
11:16:13.816 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+384 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:13.819 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:13.888 [LogEvents]: got message from Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110 : Die, Leviathan System Platform (Hijacked)!
11:16:13.910 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:13.913 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+372 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:14.050 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+373 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:14.053 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+367 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:14.230 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+368 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.232 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+362 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.335 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+381 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.339 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+375 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.535 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+376 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.538 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+370 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.634 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+370 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.637 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+364 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.750 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+364 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.753 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+358 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:14.873 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+381 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:14.876 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+375 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:15.559 [LogEvents]: targeted Coriolis Station 18415 who has 25000 energy
11:16:16.258 [LogEvents]: weapons systems toggled to 1
11:16:16.285 [LogEvents]: got message from CoachWhip hOopy Casino 29421 : ...Lucky you.
11:16:17.804 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+384 shield and 342 energy left
11:16:17.807 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 342 energy left
11:16:17.914 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817
11:16:18.031 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817
11:16:21.618 [LogEvents]: targeted Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 350 energy
11:16:21.622 [LogEvents]: lost lock on Coriolis Station 18415
11:16:21.675 [LogEvents]: Mamba: Commander Pellonia 6 21403 from Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110 spawned at 21 km
11:16:24.396 [AAMissiles]: Missile explode
11:16:25.895 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+384 shield and 347 energy left
11:16:25.898 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 347 energy left
11:16:25.929 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:26.012 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:26.014 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+372 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:26.031 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:26.127 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+373 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:26.130 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+367 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:26.203 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:26.252 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+368 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.255 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+362 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.280 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:26.369 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+381 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.370 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+375 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.470 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+375 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.473 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+369 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.578 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+370 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.582 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+364 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.695 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+364 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.698 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+358 shield and 350 energy left
11:16:26.812 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+381 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:26.815 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 381+375 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:28.131 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.252 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.350 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817
11:16:28.366 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.464 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+384 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:28.467 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:28.484 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.566 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+378 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:28.569 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+372 shield and 348 energy left
11:16:28.601 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.681 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+373 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:28.684 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 384+367 shield and 349 energy left
11:16:28.858 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:28.890 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817
11:16:28.998 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817
11:16:29.101 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+382 shield and 346 energy left
11:16:29.104 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 382+376 shield and 346 energy left
11:16:29.226 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:29.228 [LogEvents]: attacked by Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 383+377 shield and 347 energy left
11:16:29.231 [LogEvents]: taking shield damage from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 383+371 shield and 347 energy left
11:16:29.287 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 328 energy
11:16:29.542 [AAMissiles]: Missile explode
11:16:33.452 [LogEvents]: got message from Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 : Please, don't shoot!
11:16:33.453 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:33.544 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:33.628 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:33.713 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:33.809 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:33.895 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:34.069 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:34.155 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 329 energy
11:16:34.339 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 330 energy
11:16:34.431 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 330 energy
11:16:34.517 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 330 energy
11:16:34.602 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 330 energy
11:16:34.688 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 330 energy
11:16:34.777 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 328 energy
11:16:34.822 [LogEvents]: attacked unsuccessfully by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110
11:16:34.875 [LogEvents]: attacked Asp Mark II: Thunderbolt of Virtue 8 28817 who has 308 energy
11:16:34.932 [LogEvents]: attacked by Mamba Leader - high bounty 1 4110 384+384 shield and 317 energy left
11:16:34.934 [BountySystem_Core]: adding unspecified for 'seen by police', delta 7
11:16:34.934 [BountySystem_Core]: adding offence: unspecified_small
11:16:34.934 [BountySystem_Core]: bounty 7, change 7, reason seen by police
11:16:34.934 [LogEvents]: bounty is changed by 7 to 7 due to seen by police
As you can see, I got attacked and hit by the Asp, Aegis-bothered by the Mamba Leader, hit back the Asp, was hit by the Mamba Leader and then Bounty System OXP got a shipBountyChanged event giving me a bounty of 7.

The Leviathan platform and the main station were red in the scanner (scanner targeting enhancement showed the platform as hijacked, I didn't see any police vessels in the scanner.

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Re: Atacked in the Aegis

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I've experienced this a few times before. It's always been with a source code tweaked build so I thought it may have been some mistake I was making at the time.

Warning sound and condition red as soon as you launch, vipers attacking despite clean status. Each instance has been widely spread in terms of play hours, which makes it all the more confusing.

No help here I'm afraid, just sympathy. Hope it can be traced at some point in the future.
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One scenario I could imagine is illegal goods on board while launching, slaves from escape pods would do it. You could get a bounty and therefore other ships probably will attack you.
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Re: Atacked in the Aegis

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It would be good to see the primary role of the attacking ships - that can sometimes reveal where the ship came from (ie what OXP) and therefore the logic behind the attack.

One possibility is ships that have a "pirate-aegis-raider" role - they might (and heavy use of "might" here) attack the player in the aegis without provocation. I'm just not sure if they would do it on launch, or wait for a bit first. I haven't checked the AI logic for this role to confirm.

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phkb wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:47 am
One possibility is ships that have a "pirate-aegis-raider" role - they might attack the player in the aegis without provocation.
Aegis Raiders will do that, though whether solely by design, I can't be sure, as I'd seen Oolite do it before they were a thing.
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montana05 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:31 pm
One scenario I could imagine is illegal goods on board while launching, slaves from escape pods would do it. You could get a bounty and therefore other ships probably will attack you.
I've got offender status quite a few times by forgetting to sell some illegal goods I scooped, but that's not what happened this time... this time I only got offender status after hitting back a clean-status ship (that had been hitting me for some time), but the event didn't specify "shooting an innocent", it was unspecified, but "seen by police" - and there was no police in the scanner.

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phkb wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:47 am
It would be good to see the primary role of the attacking ships - that can sometimes reveal where the ship came from (ie what OXP) and therefore the logic behind the attack.

One possibility is ships that have a "pirate-aegis-raider" role - they might (and heavy use of "might" here) attack the player in the aegis without provocation. I'm just not sure if they would do it on launch, or wait for a bit first. I haven't checked the AI logic for this role to confirm.
Now that I installed the debug console, next time this happens I will target one of the attackers, pause the game, and use the playership.target property to get the attacking ship object and look its primary role.

But I wasn't wondering (much... :) ) about the attack, even if it had interesting circumstances: clean status attackers, hijacked Leviathan platform, comm messages from the attackers taunting the hijacked platform, main station red-flagged in the scanner after launch (didn't target it to see if it had hijacked appended to its name)... perhaps the main station was hijacked too and anyone launching would be treated like pirates?

I was wondering about getting the offender status even after being careful about shooting back only those that actually hit me, ignoring the Aegis-botherers, and the fact that I didn't see any police vessels to "finger me", so I'm guessing that was done by the station?

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I make a rule that I don't shoot at anything if I'm in scanner range of a station for that reason. It's worse at the witchpoint if you get attacked by some assassins while police are watching - that often ends with my offender status increasing. In that case it's usually because the police observe me shooting before they observe the assassin, so they assume I'm the guilty party. It's less clear in the aegis, but even there, one wayward shot is all it takes.

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phkb wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:57 am
It's worse at the witchpoint if you get attacked by some assassins while police are watching...
Cops are reluctant to engage assassins, as their Vipers aren't tough enough.
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dybal wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:23 pm
I was wondering about getting the offender status even after being careful about shooting back only those that actually hit me, ignoring the Aegis-botherers, and the fact that I didn't see any police vessels to "finger me", so I'm guessing that was done by the station?
That might be a possibility … does the station hand out Offender tags to people who shoot Clean ships in the aegis? And if so, do they only do it to the player, or to NPCs as well?

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Disembodied wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:10 am
That might be a possibility … does the station hand out Offender tags to people who shoot Clean ships in the aegis? And if so, do they only do it to the player, or to NPCs as well?
Any time anyone, npc or player, shoots at and hits a clean ship within aegis or police range, they are marked as an offender. I usually don’t even fire until they hit me and become offenders.
Sometimes a Hognose will shoot at you right from the mail slot, and all you have to do is shut down your engines until he hits you for free cargo.

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GearsNSuch wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:22 pm
Disembodied wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:10 am
That might be a possibility … does the station hand out Offender tags to people who shoot Clean ships in the aegis? And if so, do they only do it to the player, or to NPCs as well?
Any time anyone, npc or player, shoots at and hits a clean ship within aegis or police range, they are marked as an offender. I usually don’t even fire until they hit me and become offenders.
Sometimes a Hognose will shoot at you right from the mail slot, and all you have to do is shut down your engines until he hits you for free cargo.
Yep, but I was attacked by this guy right after launching from the main station for 16s before I hit him back, he didn't get an offender status from those 16s hitting me, but I got an offender status after hitting he back for 5s... that's what made me wonder if it's the expected game behaviour and create the topic.

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A new variation happened last night... (not complaining, just sharing :P )

Launched from main Station in Maesin (G1), there were a GalCop Sheriff and a Hognose in scanner range. The Hognose targeted me (no surprise...) and put me in red condition, then started shooting and hitting me (that was a surprise... no Aegis baiting!)... the GalCop Sheriff warned the Hognose by comm that it's behaviour was noted and would have consequences... (I forgot to target the Hognose to see its legal status, so I don't know if it changed). I ignored both of them and kept going (with Shield Boosters + Millitary Shield Enhancement + Shield Capacitors, the Hognose could hit me as much as it cared to)... then I received some hits that actually showed on the shield strength bar... it was the GalCop Sheriff shooting at me, the Main station was red in the scanner... I just run...

If I could get a wish, it would be for attacks on police to not be automatically noted and acted on by the core game... that you get a bounty on you only if somebody observed it and survived to tell (no all-seeing Big Brother in George Orwell's sense)... I would love to draw those bastards that shoot at me out of the blue away from the witnesses and help them become one with the Cosmos! :twisted:

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It would be interesting to know if the Hognose had a role in the oolite-police-like roles-category. In a clean vs. clean conflict, the police can decide to assist one side or the other, and even though the police warned the Hognose, I'm not sure that has any connection to the decision-to-assist logic.

Also, you have to assume the police use their comms to report in before they leave scanner range, so if they said they were chasing a suspicious ship (you), and then never came back, the station could do the math. Not to mention, beacons can be detected throughout the system, and police probably have overpowered signaling equipment to report when they are under attack to ensure that no one can gank them without consequence... I would support a no-police-bounty-if-cloaked exception, though.

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