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Re: A question of lore

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Another question: witchpoint beacons are in the core game, so they're a thing. What exactly is their purpose? Are they simply markers, or are they perhaps needed for incoming ships to lock onto - no witchpoint beacon, no inbound traffic?
The witchdrive seems to be able to access any area within 7ly outside of a gravity well. It doesn’t seem to rely upon preexisting wormholes or hyperlanes, so I don’t think they’re exit markers.
The few seconds of necessary level flying before a jump could indicate that the craft is locking on to a beacon’s signal. The transmission would still persist for years after a beacon’s destruction due to signal lag, justifying ships still being able to jump in with no beacon.
I imagine that in the chaotic years before the rise of GalCop, ships manually calculated this exit position, leading to a greater number of misjumps.

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Re: A question of lore

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So how does this sound: a ship can jump into a system regardless, but without a witchpoint beacon to lock onto, the location of the point of entry is unpredictable. It could be close to the space lane/station, it could be way out in deep space, it could be too close to the planet, it could even be deep within the star's corona. In other words, it's simply too risky if there's no witchpoint beacon!


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Re: A question of lore

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Cody wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:19 pm
Another question: witchpoint beacons are in the core game, so they're a thing. What exactly is their purpose? Are they simply markers, or are they perhaps needed for incoming ships to lock onto - no witchpoint beacon, no inbound traffic?
another_commander wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:02 pm
You know, it's probably easy to find out what happens (no time to go browsing the code for it, sorry): exit witchspace to a new system, destroy the beacon and stand-by. Do ships still arrive in the area? If yes, then the beacon is just a marker, if no, then it is a requirement for exit position lock.

Just came across this:

Pirate Ambushes oxp: Introduces a new tactic for pirates in lower-government systems- Hijacking the Witchspace buoy and moving it to a more 'advantageous' position. From http://deephorizonindustries.com/about_concept.html
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Re: A question of lore

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Just came across this:

Pirate Ambushes oxp: Introduces a new tactic for pirates in lower-government systems- Hijacking the Witchspace buoy and moving it to a more 'advantageous' position. From http://deephorizonindustries.com/about_concept.html
<grins> There's some fun to be had trying to nudge buoys out of position.
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Re: A question of lore

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Cody wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:19 pm
Another question: witchpoint beacons are in the core game, so they're a thing. What exactly is their purpose? Are they simply markers, or are they perhaps needed for incoming ships to lock onto - no witchpoint beacon, no inbound traffic?
Have we arrived at a definitive answer here? I'm editing the witchspace & buoy pages on our wiki and am a tad unsure what to write!
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Re: A question of lore

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Have we arrived at a definitive answer here?
I have, yes! Don't know about the rest of you!
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Re: A question of lore

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Cholmondely wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am
Have we arrived at a definitive answer here? I'm editing the witchspace & buoy pages on our wiki and am a tad unsure what to write!
You could just say something like "The location in the system where inbound traffic emerges from Witchspace is marked by a navigation buoy", and leave it at that. Certainly, in actual gameplay, the buoys have no actual effect: if you blow one up, ships will continue to arrive at that location - but there are good fictional and OXP possibilities in e.g. Cody's scenario:
Cody wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:36 am
a ship can jump into a system regardless, but without a witchpoint beacon to lock onto, the location of the point of entry is unpredictable. It could be close to the space lane/station, it could be way out in deep space, it could be too close to the planet, it could even be deep within the star's corona. In other words, it's simply too risky if there's no witchpoint beacon!


A planet is ravaged by a mutated virus, and supplies of a new vaccine are urgently needed. Unfortunately, the gooks have destroyed the witchpoint beacon. Your mission, should you accept it, is to deliver that vaccine come hell or high water!
Perhaps it takes time for the lack of a buoy to have an effect: maybe the buoy makes a dimple in the ultrastructure of the witchspace–realspace bulk, which causes inbound wormholes to open there, at a safe distance from any nearby gravity well. (I don't have to remind anyone what can happen if a wormhole opens on any sort of gravitational gradient! We've all seen the training videos.) If you destroy the buoy, though, the dimple persists: the ultrastructure is only semi-elastic, and takes time to rebound. After a few (hours/days/weeks/whatever) though the dimple will flatten out and any incoming wormholes will open anywhere in the system. Odds are good that it'll be somewhere empty: any given star system is mostly empty, after all. But you could be a long, long way from anywhere - or worse, you could roll snake eyes and pop out really close to somewhere, triggering a full quirium cascade inside your ship.

Equally, though, someone might prefer to have a no buoy = system cut off scenario. If the locals can't replace it, then you'll have to send a buoy there sub-light, through realspace, which could take decades … this could be a good way to pop a new system into existence for the player to scout out. Or a way to snip off a star cluster from the rest of the galaxy where the only way out is through a crafty misjump.

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Re: A question of lore

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Disembodied wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:48 pm
Cholmondely wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am
Have we arrived at a definitive answer here? I'm editing the witchspace & buoy pages on our wiki and am a tad unsure what to write!
You could just say something like "The location in the system where inbound traffic emerges from Witchspace is marked by a navigation buoy", and leave it at that. Certainly, in actual gameplay, the buoys have no actual effect: if you blow one up, ships will continue to arrive at that location - but there are good fictional and OXP possibilities in e.g. Cody's scenario:
Cody wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:36 am
a ship can jump into a system regardless, but without a witchpoint beacon to lock onto, the location of the point of entry is unpredictable. It could be close to the space lane/station, it could be way out in deep space, it could be too close to the planet, it could even be deep within the star's corona. In other words, it's simply too risky if there's no witchpoint beacon!


A planet is ravaged by a mutated virus, and supplies of a new vaccine are urgently needed. Unfortunately, the gooks have destroyed the witchpoint beacon. Your mission, should you accept it, is to deliver that vaccine come hell or high water!
Perhaps it takes time for the lack of a buoy to have an effect: maybe the buoy makes a dimple in the ultrastructure of the witchspace–realspace bulk, which causes inbound wormholes to open there, at a safe distance from any nearby gravity well. (I don't have to remind anyone what can happen if a wormhole opens on any sort of gravitational gradient! We've all seen the training videos.) If you destroy the buoy, though, the dimple persists: the ultrastructure is only semi-elastic, and takes time to rebound. After a few (hours/days/weeks/whatever) though the dimple will flatten out and any incoming wormholes will open anywhere in the system. Odds are good that it'll be somewhere empty: any given star system is mostly empty, after all. But you could be a long, long way from anywhere - or worse, you could roll snake eyes and pop out really close to somewhere, triggering a full quirium cascade inside your ship.

Equally, though, someone might prefer to have a no buoy = system cut off scenario. If the locals can't replace it, then you'll have to send a buoy there sub-light, through realspace, which could take decades … this could be a good way to pop a new system into existence for the player to scout out. Or a way to snip off a star cluster from the rest of the galaxy where the only way out is through a crafty misjump.
Very helpful, thank you.

By the way, I've incorporated your earlier comments (Re: Species: Lobstoids, Amphiboids, Reptiles etc. Post by Disembodied » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:09 pm) in a prominent way onto the Species, History and GalCop wiki pages, and hope over time to include them elsewhere as suitable.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:48 pm
Or a way to snip off a star cluster from the rest of the galaxy where the only way out is through a crafty misjump.
Or the only way in! Such backdoors are one-way only.
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Re: A question of lore

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Cody wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:36 am
So how does this sound: a ship can jump into a system regardless, but without a witchpoint beacon to lock onto, the location of the point of entry is unpredictable. It could be close to the space lane/station, it could be way out in deep space, it could be too close to the planet, it could even be deep within the star's corona. In other words, it's simply too risky if there's no witchpoint beacon!
Somewhat familiar I'd say :D
(scroll down a tad for the second one...)

There are some interesting ideas in that thread that I might wish to revisit...

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any given star system is mostly empty, after all
Nonsense! Anybody knows it's full of space! :P
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Re: A question of lore

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Buoys - we are all aware of THIS.

Back in G2 there was a rash of Buoy destruction going on. All types of Buoys were being taken out on a regular basis. The above OXZ replaced the destroyed Buoys in a very short amount of time. It even provided temporary positioning of a destroyed Buoy, and a temporary name for that destroyed Buoy, until the replacement Buoy was up and running. The only drawback to the above OXZ is the lack of an update to use the new Buoy graphics. Easily overlooked during the Buoy "towing into place process" as once the Buoy is in place it will use the new graphics. Currently Handwavium it up to a Buoy's inactive versus active state. If any of you graphic gurus want to to think about updating the above OXZ to use the new Buoy graphics it would be much appreciated.

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