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Post by JensAyton » Sun May 27, 2007 5:26 pm

Geordie1 wrote:Are you a Geordie Killer Wolf?
Y’know, this question nicely demonstrates the value of the common comma.

Are you a Geordie Killer, Wolf?
Are you a Geordie, Killer Wolf?
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Post by *cat » Sun May 27, 2007 5:39 pm

Grammatical humour in (presumably) non-native language AND oolite programing. I'm impressed!
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Post by JensAyton » Sun May 27, 2007 6:21 pm

I’m fully bilingual, and my English is somewhat better than my Swedish. But it’s true, I wasn’t born with it. ;-)

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Post by Geordie1 » Mon May 28, 2007 1:07 am

Thank you for the grammar lesson. Although I was born and bred in Geordieland (God's Own), I have basically matured here in Japan after spending the last 17 years here, I came here when I was a young whippersnapper at the age of 23, so these days I feel more comfortable speaking in Japanese, hence my English grammar can sometimes fall short.

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Post by Cmdr. Maegil » Mon May 28, 2007 2:21 am

Ahruman wrote:Are you a Geordie Killer, Wolf?
This one's wrong too. The capital K makes "Killer" a proper noun, precluding the adjectival use of "Geordi" as an attributive noun as both are proper nouns.

However, it could pass as an elliptic form of "Are you a (member of the) Geordie Killer (gang), Wolf?"

Yes, yes, yes... Pedantism strikes again! :oops:
You know those who, having been mugged and stabbed, fired, dog run over, house burned down, wife eloped with best friend, daughters becoming prostitutes and their countries invaded - still say that "all is well"?
I'm obviously not one of them.

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Post by Geordie1 » Mon May 28, 2007 10:09 am

Your all too intelligement for me :D I have to warn you though, when I get my military laser I am going to blast you guys 8)

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Post by reills » Mon May 28, 2007 11:37 am

I ain't got the bestest Anglish, but then again, I'm 'Murican.

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Post by Star Gazer » Mon May 28, 2007 12:51 pm

reills wrote:I ain't got the bestest Anglish, but then again, I'm 'Murican.
...I'm not familiar with that tribe, are they related to the Mahican...? :wink:
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Post by Roberto » Mon May 28, 2007 2:21 pm

This one's wrong too. The capital K makes "Killer" a proper noun, precluding the adjectival use of "Geordi" as an attributive noun as both are proper nouns.
Clearly you've never heard of proper adjectives, then... :)

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Post by Cmdr. Maegil » Mon May 28, 2007 4:28 pm

So we middle-aged Oolite players and Elite fans have finally had our mental ages regressed back to that of school kids? Or are we having a deeper, more mature outlook on the importance of grammar in communication?
One thing, at least, is certain: no noob whippersnapper should try to use l33t or other suchlike cyber pseudolanguages around us!

Anyway, this whole second page should be moved to a new thread on the Outworld forum... "Grammar challenge", maybe?
Ahruman wrote:Are you a Geordie Killer, Wolf?
Cmdr. Maegil wrote:The capital K makes "Killer" a proper noun, precluding the adjectival use of "Geordi" as an attributive noun as both are proper nouns.
Roberto wrote:Clearly you've never heard of proper adjectives, then... :D
Well, even though I'm no linguist nor a native english speaker, I did - but I think it doesn't apply to this case. Still, in this construction, instead of a proper adjective, it would be possible to use a proper adverb.

In "a Geordie Killer" we could have
"a" as an indefinite article, used before a singular noun that refer to a member of a group
and
"Killer" as the singular proper noun to which the article refers
which would make
"Geordie" assume the proper adverb function.

In other words,
A member of the "Geordie" faction/etnicity/school/etc., of the "Killer" more general group/association/etc., "a Geordiean Killer".

Come on, people, let's find out how many ways are there to read this phrase.
You know those who, having been mugged and stabbed, fired, dog run over, house burned down, wife eloped with best friend, daughters becoming prostitutes and their countries invaded - still say that "all is well"?
I'm obviously not one of them.

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Post by Captain Hesperus » Mon May 28, 2007 4:50 pm

Errrrm, the Panda eats shoots and leaves?
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Post by Roberto » Mon May 28, 2007 10:58 pm

What was the original topic again? :)

An adverb can be used to modify the meaning of an adjective, a verb or another adverb - not a noun. Geordie in the context of "Geordie Killer" (assuming Killer to be a proper noun) must be an adjective.

*EDIT* "I say, Marjorie - you're killing very Geordily today" - *that* would be an adverb! :)

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Post by Geordie1 » Mon May 28, 2007 11:24 pm

PML at this thread

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Post by Cmdr. Maegil » Tue May 29, 2007 12:24 am

That's it! I'm callingprofessor 'grammar Nazi' Break from the EBBS' apostrophe patrol!
You know those who, having been mugged and stabbed, fired, dog run over, house burned down, wife eloped with best friend, daughters becoming prostitutes and their countries invaded - still say that "all is well"?
I'm obviously not one of them.

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Post by Cmdr. Maegil » Tue May 29, 2007 11:47 am

Captain Hesperus wrote:Errrrm, the Panda eats shoots and leaves? !:wink:
No, that would be the panda, unless you meant that the Panda gang member eats, shoots and leaves. :twisted:
You know those who, having been mugged and stabbed, fired, dog run over, house burned down, wife eloped with best friend, daughters becoming prostitutes and their countries invaded - still say that "all is well"?
I'm obviously not one of them.

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